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On this week's episode my guest is SOAK. Bridie Monds-Watson has been making music since they were a teenager in Derry, releasing their Mercury-nominated debut Before We Forgot How to Dream in 2015 at just 18, followed by Grim Town in 2019 and If I Never Know You Like This Again in 2022, all on Rough Trade.
The last few years have been a strange and quiet stretch for SOAK. Vocal issues left them wondering if their time in music was coming to an end but an undiagnosed autoimmune disease was quickly discovered. Bridie talks about coming out the other side of it having "remodelled everything for joy", writing in the present tense rather than nostalgia, and only trying to make themselves laugh.
There's also the full story of how 'just stand there' with Fred Again.. came about, from a lockdown spoken word piece made with Ellius Grace and Gemma Doherty to Fred texting through a finished remix unprompted, to becoming the most heard vocal of their career, racking up over 25 million plays and the surreal moment Fred and Thomas Bangalter of Daft Punk closed a show with the song segueing into 'One More Time'.
SOAK is big on collaboration having recently also worked with Gordi, Niamh Regan  Katie Malco, Julien Baker and] George Fitzgerald.
Fresh from an intimate tour of Ireland's small rooms, venues and bookshops, 'death valley fridge magnet' is their first solo song in over four years, a song about feeling lost and finding your way back through your friends.
You can catch SOAK live this summer at The Circle by Jameson Music at All Together Now Festival, which features some Nialler9 favourites.

For this conversation, SOAK picked five songs to frame the chat: Big Thief, Samia, Julia Jacklin, Mitski and Ryan Beatty. We get into all of them, along with losing your voice, writing to your younger self, and over a decade of being SOAK.
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On the vocal issues that changed everything
"I have an autoimmune disease that I didn't know about, and I only found out about it because I started to lose my voice. After one show, my voice would just become hoarse. When that started happening, I was like, well, maybe there's a reason I'm not meant to do this... In the end I did really need a moment to ask, what do I care about? Why did I want to do this in the first place? It recentered everything. I just remodelled everything for joy. It's been a big relief."
On touring while losing their voice
"I would play a show and then my voice would just go, or I'd be straining so hard it was painful to sing. For a lot of those last shows I would literally be on vocal rest during the day to save my voice for the show that evening, strain it again, and repeat the process. And there's a band there and everybody's getting paid. It was just so stressful."
On how the writing has changed
"A big difference in the stuff I've been writing is that it's very present. Before, I would have been very nostalgic in my writing... I notice a change in myself, that I'm trying a lot less. I'm only trying to make myself laugh now, to be honest. I used to punish myself a lot and seek some sort of optimisation in music, which is the worst combination of words when it comes to art."
On redefining success
"My aspirations have never been to headline Glastonbury. To me, success is having the freedom of time and space to actually make the next song. Nothing will stop the next song except for you. You can be an artist and it doesn't have to be your entire income. That's a big distinction I had to learn."
On writing 'death valley fridge magnet'
"I wrote it in the car, it was starting to snow around Christmas a couple of years back. I was driving past St Stephen's Green and it brought on all these memories of my best friend. We did a road trip in America years ago, and I was trying to take the complication of adulthood out of things and remember how it felt to be eighteen and really not care much and just want to do stupid things."
On the Fred Again.. collaboration
"I got a chain of texts from him and he referenced really deep cuts from my first record. So I was like, okay, respect, you actually know what's going on here... I find it so funny that what he wanted to use was my pretty intense Derry accent. Even at that level, everybody working on this stuff was so kind and genuine. He genuinely is so obsessed with music, does not stop, always singing into his phone or tapping a table. It's truly an inspirational thing to witness."
On seeing Fred and Thomas Bangalter close a show with 'just stand there'
"They finished that whole show with 'just stand there' going into 'One More Time' by Daft Punk. At my thirtieth birthday, my friends got it up on their phones. That was crazy. You need to talk about it more."
On Irish music right now
"It really feels like we're flying as a country musically. The standard of stuff coming out is ridiculous. I just listened to the new Joshua Burnside record, which I think is his best yet. How that and the last CMAT record can be so different and so brilliant, our range is pretty impressive in this country."
On Big Thief's Double Infinity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqYsmmfbCI
"All those songs are three, four chords and pretty simple song structures, and I appreciated the choice of that. 'Incomprehensible' is an all-time Big Thief song. You can hear them laughing in the background, they allow it to be a bit rusty, and that's what I like most."
On Mitski
"The through line through all of these artists is the honesty of it all, not trying to be a shiny happy person, just all the good, bad, beautiful, ugly. I love that in Mitski's music especially. She's not afraid to be perceived negatively or pathetically. She leans into it and I think it's great."
On revisiting old songs
"It freaks me out. It's literally like being face to face with your younger self. Sometimes it's too intense emotionally, why I wrote them, what I was feeling when I wrote them. I can't just pop in and out of that. It's a real deep thing."
On Ryan Beatty's 'Secret Language'
 

A live recording of a discussion about one of the best albums of 2025 from Rosalía.
Rosalía’s Lux is the kind of album that demands to be heard properly and intently – a mountain-moving, orchestral operatic masterwork recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra, sung in 13 different languages, and inspired from the writings of Simone Weil, Clarice Lispector and the lives of female saints, so that's what we did in March when we hosted two listening parties in Dublin's The Big Romance and Fidelity, as part of the Nialler9 Listen Closely album listening events.
After the flamenco pop of El Mal Querer and the genre-slicing Motomami, on Lux, Rosalía made something else entirely – intimate and enormous, ancient and futuristic, deeply human in every sense. The album is so ambitious and creative – it felt right to dedicate some real time to the record in a suitable environment without distractions.
So this podcast episode is a recording from night two in The Big Romance between myself Niall and guest Louise Bruton - who recently directed the short film Let Go - discussing the massive scope of Rosalía's Lux - the literary writing and saint-inspired spiritually romantic and rapturous album - which was my favourite of 2025.
Lux realises an album of earth-shaking movements in four parts through orchestral spirituals, with The London Symphony Orchestra.
Listen back to the chat in this episode.
Our next Listening Party is Chemical Brothers – Dig Your Own Hole [1997] on July 29th.
 

This is a repost ahead of the release of the new Boards Of Canada album Inferno this friady.
The Scottish duo's 1998 debut album is the subject of this month's Listen Closely podcast.
Boards Of Canada's debut album Music Has The Right To Children on Warp Records/SKAM is a modern classic, a highly evocative collection of music, operating like a fading childhood memory, a creeping nostalgic collage of analogue electronic music, samples from public service broadcasting programming, with inspirations from to hip-hop beats, ambient techno and psychedelia.
 
Join Niall and Andrea to discuss the liminal legacy of Music Has The Right To Children, and discover how library music, Sesame Street and nature documentaries all inform the album, and we chat about the album’s childhood nostalgia, and its preoccupation with a retrofuturistic nostalgia and memory.
 
 
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We gathered to listen through one of the most singular debut albums ever made. Here's the recording of the chat.
Niall is joined at our live listening event Listen Closely in the Big Romance by Cian Galvin aka Irish hip-hop producer and crate digger The Expert to discuss...
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing (1996)
A towering achievement in sample-based plunderphonics, music arrangements and turntablist-lead production techniques, DJ Shadow's 1996's debut album Endtroducing remains one of the most evocative and singular classic albums of recent times. Entirely built of obscure crate-dug samples using an Akai MPC60 sampler, Endtroducing's cinematic soundscapes finds a transportive space where emotionally resonant electronica and hip-hop meet - the middle ground between light and shadow. It is considered one of the best albums of all-time, and is certainly one of mine.
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The third instalment of our loosely titled Plunderphonics series for the Nialler9 Listening Party brought us to a record that, thirty years on, still doesn't quite sound like anything else. DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, released September 16th 1996 on Mo' Wax, is a record built entirely from other records - and yet it sounds like nothing any of those records ever sounded like.
If you missed the night, the podcast recording is above. What follows is a bit of context and some of what we got into.
The trilogy so far
We've now done The Avalanches' Since I Left You and J Dilla's Donuts as part of this loose series. All three are sample-based records. All three feel like complete worlds unto themselves. There's something about the constraint of working entirely within found sound that produces a particular kind of magic - you're hearing music that was already forgotten being given an entirely new life, filtered through the taste and instincts of one person with a singular obsession.
Endtroducing is the most melancholic of the three. It's not a party record or a rap record in any conventional sense. It's a cinematic, introspective piece of work - breakbeats, jazz, psychedelia, hip-hop, all of it dissolved into something that feels like its own atmosphere.
The kid from Davis, California
Josh Davis grew up in Davis, California, then San Jose - both outside the main cultural centres, which is something he and Mo' Wax founder James Lavelle bonded over immediately when they first spoke by phone. Lavelle had grown up in Oxford. Both felt like outsiders to the scenes they were drawn to.
Shadow was experimenting with a four-track recorder in high school and DJing on the campus radio station KDVS at UC Davis before he'd made a single release. By 1993 he was part of the Solesides underground hip-hop collective alongside Blackalicious, Lateef, and Lyrics Born. Lavelle found him through a B-side remix on a forgotten hip-hop promo, tracked him down through a friend at Tommy Boy Records, and told him: "Don't worry about choruses and verses, just push your sound further."
That's more or less what he did.
The equipment
The entire album was made on an Akai MPC60 II, a pair of turntables, and an Alesis ADAT tape recorder that belonged to Dan the Automator. Shadow was 23 years old. The MPC could sample 2.5 seconds of stereo and store 13 seconds total. Everything on the record - the beats, the melodies, the percussion - had to be constructed within those limits.
Self-imposed limitation producing something that infinite digital possibilities probably couldn't. There's a reason we don't really get records like this anymore, and it's partly because the tools have become too open-ended. The seams and the constraints are part of what gives Endtroducing its particular texture.
The crates
Shadow spent his days in the basement of Rare Records in Sacramento, a shop with records piled to the ceiling. He found a mummified bat down there once. The cover photograph, taken by B+, shows producer Chief Xcel and Lyrics Born (in a wig) in that same basement. It's as good a visual summary of the album's ethos as you'll find anywhere.
He made it a rule to avoid sampling obvious or well-known material. The samples he pulled were largely from forgotten funk, soul, jazz, experimental, and sound library records - music that had no audience left and no commercial future. He rescued them. The liner notes credit everything, including the big clearance cases: Metallica, Björk, and the David Axelrod piano loop that anchors 'Midnight in a Perfect World'. Lavelle handled the clearances. "The samples were pretty easy to clear," he said. "It's different when you're sampling some Swedish drum break from 1970 than sampling James Brown."
The album itself
Endtroducing feels like a place. Not a collection of tracks but a world you enter at the start and leave at the end, slightly altered. The drums on 'Building Steam with a Grain of Salt', the disorienting loop of 'Changeling', the controlled chaos of the second half of 'Scatter Brain', the three-part sweep of 'Stem/Long Stem', the ache of 'Midnight in a Perfect World'. It's not a happy record. Shadow said himself that feelings of self-doubt and depression came through in the music during production. You can hear it.
The Wire's first ever review called it "a debut of melancholic mediocrity." Melody Maker said "you need this record. You are incomplete without it."
The bigger question
There's a clip of Shadow in the Rare Records basement that gets used a lot in discussions about Endtroducing. He gestures around at the records and says: "Almost none of these artists still have a career. Ten years down the line, you'll be in here." It's a bleak thought, but also the central one. Sampling asks us to reckon with music's ephemerality - but it also offers a counter-argument. These records survived because Shadow found them. Their sounds are in the album. They're still being heard.

This month's music selector guest is the NYC and Ireland music fan Lauren Kennedy, who went viral for her Track Star video last year.
Lauren Kennedy is the Athlone woman who has lived in New York for the last six years and is known for the viral video on the Track Star Youtube channel where she won $20,500 for correctly guessing all of the Irish bands selected for her on the show. Lauren very soundly donated all the money to the Palestine Children's Relief Fund. It was her second time on the show, after her first appearance where she was surprised by Bon Iver.
You may, like me have been following her gig escapades in recent months in NYC where she went to see a load of Irish bands who were over to play.
Lauren just moved back to Ireland for the summer so a perfect time to welcome this legend back to the country by catching up with the music she's loving at the moment.
Music discussed and chosen on the episode from Dove Ellis, Florence Road, David Kitt, Rua Rí, Shamrock Showband, The Last Dinner Party, Getdown Services, Crying Loser, Lemoncello and Fundido.
My Best albums of April piece.
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Kate Nash is one of the most interesting artists working in British and Irish music right now.
 
You might know her from 'Foundations', the debut single that went to number one in the UK in 2007, or maybe winning a BRIT Award for Best Female Artist in 2008 or the excellent Netflix TV show GLOW on Netflix about female wrestlers. 
But the Kate Nash of the last few years is an advocate for artists who kicks against the pricks of the music industry and the world at large. 
In the last couple of years alone she has given testimony before a UK parliamentary select committee about the economics of touring, losing £26,000 on a European tour leg and covering those losses by selling photos of her arse on OnlyFans.
She's travelled around London on a fire engine visiting the offices of Live Nation and Spotify as part of her Butts for Tour Buses campaign. She is a patron of the Music Venue Trust speaking up for grassroots venues. She's been one of the founding members of the Featured Artists Coalition since 2009.  She played the Trans Mission show at Wembley. She's been to Leinster House. She also released trans ally anthem 'GERM'.
Nash  grew up in North Harrow going to Irish dancing at weekends, listening to Christy Moore and the Dubliners at home, spending summers in Ireland.
Last month, Nialler9 debuted her cover of Sinead O’Connor’s Famine - a song that serves as an introduction to her dual Irish English heritage.
So there is a lot to talk to Kate Nash about.
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This month's best of the month podcast guest is Manchester-based Irish BBC 6 Music presenter Deb Grant.
Deb started out  with Jazz FM in Dublin before moving to the UK at 19 where now based in Manchester, she has been a regular BBC Radio 6 Music presenter since 2023, currently presenting the New Music Daily Fix show with Nathan Shepherd from Monday to Thursday from 7pm to 9pm.
Deb will be in Ireland over the coming months in her role as ambassador for Heineken Greenlight.
Music discussed and chosen on the episode from Angine De Poitrine, Wax Head, Avalon Emerson, Shortstraw, Baalti and Lapgan, Hannah Peel and Beibei Wang, Isa Gordon, Carol Maia and Jeremy Gustin, The Scratch and Rua Rí.
Plus Deb talks about being a judge on the Choice Music Prize, seeing Madra Salach in a tiny venue, and David Byrne's live Who Is The Sky? tour.
My Best albums of March piece.
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The 1998 album marked a turn for the trip-hop visionary band's to the dark side.
Niall is joined by Craig Fitzpatrick discuss the record in front of a live audience at at Listen Closely, our series of monthly album listening parties in the Big Romance.
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (1998)
The third album from the British pioneers radically reshaped the band's own bright trip-hop, soul and hip-hop with darker tones of electronic, industrial, and gothic distorted guitars. 
Mezzanine eschews the band's trademark warmth for magnified atmospheres drawing on paranoia, negative space, and whispered vocals to create a mood that mirrored the anxieties of the digital age.
The album caused internal drama. The dark, guitar-heavy vibe of Mezzanine pushed the band into new territory, but it also led to major tension.
We revisit the record and talk about the band's career's highs, lows and live shows in The Big Romance with a live audience.
 
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The debut album from Bloc Party remains a seminal record of a key time in UK guitar music.
Niall is joined by author and writer Dean Van Nguyen discuss the record in front of a live audience at Listen Closely, our series of monthly album listening parties.
Bloc Party – Silent Alarm (2005)
Bloc Party’s debut album quickly became a seminal indie record of the 2000s with big frenetic indie zeitgeist hits like ‘Helicopter’, ‘Banquet’, ‘This Modern Love’ and ‘Like Eating Glass’.
Silent Alarm presented a poppy spin on taut post-punk, edgy pop and alternative ballads, with Kele Okereke’s lyrical explorations of matters of the heart, modern anxieties, intimacy and alienation.
Silent Alarm felt like a manifesto. It bridged rock and dance culture before LCD Soundsystem and others made that fusion mainstream. We discuss its beginnings, its impact, what came after for the band and some recommended further listening.
We revisit the record in The Big Romance with a live audience.
Dean's book about Tupac is recommended.
  
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This month's best of guest is Cork pop culture writer Mia Tobin Power who joins Niall for episode #309.
In the recommendations corner this month are albums from Mitski, Cardinals, Charli XCX, Archive, Jill Scott, Vegas Water Taxi, Puma Blue, Nashpaints and David DeBarra. Plus a song from new Cork band Maicín.
Plus some chat about the phenomenal Industry Season 4 and some other films and TV we've enjoyed this past month.
I wrote about my choices here this week.
Follow Mia on Substack.
 
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